And John wore clothing made of camel hair and had a leather belt about his waist.
You therefore, I want to be the Twelve, to symbolize Israel.’” And “It so happened that John came baptizing, and Pharisees and all Jerusalem came out to him to get baptized. Coming to Capernaum, He entered the house of Simon, who is called Peter, and said, ‘As I passed by the Sea of Galilee, I chose John and James, sons of Zebedee, and Simon, and Andrew, Thaddaeus, Simon the Zealot, Judas Iscariot and you Matthew, sitting at the tax office, I called and you followed me. In the Gospel called of Matthew which they call the Hebrew Gospel is written the following: “There was a certain man named Jesus, about thirty years old, who chose us.I understood that they believed that Jesus was divine, but was begotten of God at his baptism rather than by virgin birth. The denial of the divinity of Christ caused me some concern. Cheers - Ret.Prof ( talk) 12:09, 14 October 2010 (UTC) Denial of the divinity of Christ Maybe I should change my user name to Absent Minded Prof. Don't forget to sign yourself, Prof'! - Michael C. Ret.Prof ( talk) 11:45, 14 October 2010 (UTC) Thanks - that is appreciated. informative, well referenced and a pleasure to read. I just read the article and the editors have done a good job. John Carter ( talk) 23:45, 13 October 2010 (UTC) Job well done Can anyone show me any reliable source which can reasonably support this statement, which very clearly seems to indicate that he became, in effect, an adherent of the Ebionites described in this article? We would, of course, I believe need an independent reliable source to substantiate this claim. Right now, the article says that after leaving another group, Philipps "became" an Ebionite. John Carter ( talk) 22:15, 13 October 2010 (UTC) When did Shemayah Phillips "become" an Ebionite? Please address these matters specifically, however boring you find abiding by policies and guidelines to be. Also, in light of that material, I believe that the existing redirects to this article for that group at Ebionite Jewish Community and possibly Ebionite Community should also be, honestly, turned into redirects into the more directly relevant Sacred Name movement article, where the material more reasonably belongs. Price talk 22:08, 13 October 2010 (UTC) Michael, the point raised was about moving the content to the most directly relevant article, and you have yet to address that point at all. John Carter ( talk) 22:05, 13 October 2010 (UTC) Have. Price talk 22:00, 13 October 2010 (UTC) Please address the actual point raised, as per WP:IDHT. John Carter ( talk) 17:42, 13 October 2010 (UTC) The article already says claims. Basically, that first sentence still qualifes, more or less, as a self-published source as per WP:SPS, as it is stating a claim made by the group without supporting it. And the comments of independent outsiders are what determines content in wikipedia, not the self-made claims of groups or individuals themselves. However, the article itself, in its own voice, says that the group is a part of the Sacred Name Movement. Price talk 17:26, 13 October 2010 (UTC) That the group claims to be a successor of the old Ebionites. John Carter ( talk) 16:23, 13 October 2010 (UTC) What does the first sentence of the ref say? - Michael C. And, without that reference, which like I said does not refer to the historic Ebionites per se, the entire section could probably be easily removed as unsourced. That being the case, I have to say that I think, if we were to follow content guidelines, the material on the Ebionite Jewish Community probably better belongs in the article on the Sacred Name movement, until and unless other independent reliable sources on it can be found which themselves assert a direct link between the historic Ebionites and this modern Sacred Name group. The only independent reliable source produced to date does not link it to the Ebionites, but rather to the Sacred Name Movement. 18.5 Use of Eisenman's James the Brother of Jesus as a sourceĪctually, as the person who first added this material, I have to say that, in retrospect, I have very serious questions about whether it really belongs in this article.13 Recent removal of reasonably added template.9 Catholic Encyclopedia and four groups.2 When did Shemayah Phillips "become" an Ebionite?.
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